The question this week comes from our beautiful friend, Michelle. She's been living with her long term boyfriend for quite a while now, but she's wondering how much time to give him to make more of a commitment.
Here's her story:
I've been dating a guy exclusively for 15 months. We both own a home but he has been living with me for 7 months. Since he has his own bills and mortgage he doesn't help me with anything, including groceries.
Is this normal?
We've both been married before, myself twice and him three times. We're trying not to make the same mistakes.
We are both very different from our previous spouses. Which has been great!
We love each other very much. There is no fear of anyone else or cheating.
I'm just wondering how long is reasonable to let him live with me with no commitment and no financial assistance.
As for income, he makes about $25k more than me but pays much of that in child support. I'm not hurting in any way financially, I'm comfortable. I do have children that live with me and he has one that spends many days and nights with us.
I live very close to her mom, as well as his house.
I'm not in a rush to get married but would like to know what is a reasonable expectation for more of a commitment.
I appreciate any thoughts you can share. I don't want to be that dumb girl hoping for a next step that doesn't ever happen.
Btw...I'm 48, he's 53.
- Michelle
My Response:
No, it’s not normal, Michelle. But it’s as normal as the two of you make it.
Meaning, if you don’t do anything to change this and he doesn’t have any reason to because he’s happy with the way things are, then nothing will change. That's when it becomes "normal".
This isn’t a competition or keeping score. It’s not about who’s making more money or who “should” be paying more based on the specifics of your financial details for either one of you. This is about being in a relationship.
Everything about the way each of you behaves in your relationship tells you something more about who each other is. So if he’s not volunteering to pitch in his fair share financially, that’s telling you something.
If he’s not giving you the kind of commitment that you're looking for, that’s information worth paying attention to. Everything he shows you about who he is and how he chooses to live his life is giving you insight into what life in the long term is going to be like with him. He doesn't suddenly change. He just becomes more of who he already is.
One thing that I notice from your email is that you're very vague on what it is exactly that you're looking for in terms of commitment. I mention this because defining for yourself what you really want is probably the most important step to getting what you really want. If you're not sure what it is that you're looking for, how can you convey it to your partner?
The key is to really define for yourself what a committed relationship means to you. Check out that blog post for some help on getting clear about what you're looking for.
You certainly have some level of commitment right now - you've been dating exclusively for 15 months, living together for 7, and there's no fear of infidelity, which is great. It sounds like your children know each other and you know his family.
That's a great start.
Your question about what's a reasonable time frame really comes down to you defining where you want to go from here. You said you're not in a rush to get married, so what is the "more of a commitment" that you're referring to?
You mentioned that he still has his own house - so one question I would have is how much time does he spend there? Because maybe in his mind he's not really living with you at all, as long as he has his own place that he can go to, even if it's just once a week or so. This may also be why he hasn't offered to share the costs of groceries, bills, etc. Because in his mind, if he does that, then he really is living with you and that then means more commitment than he's ready for right now.
Does the "more of a commitment" that you're looking for from him mean that he sells his house and completely moves in with you? Or do you want to be engaged?
Again, it's very important to know this yourself before you can move forward.
Once you get clear on what exactly you want, then you can set a timeline for yourself and decide if and when to bring it up with him.
I'm getting a sense from you that you know something more than you may think you do. It tells me this is something worth looking into. Because when there’s even the possibility that we might be “that dumb girl hoping for a next step that doesn’t ever happen”, that’s a red flag for me. And definitely something worth exploring further.
So, where do you go from here? Well, there is so much truth to the fact that when you’re with someone who’s on the same page as you in terms of commitment, you don’t have to ask, or pry, or try to get some answer out of them. Those conversations naturally happen.
And if they don’t happen in words, they happen in actions which always mean far more that words ever do.
As far as a reasonable time frame goes, really that's up to you. I would set your own timeline. What’s reasonable to you?
Again, this will depend on exactly what you've decided you want in terms of commitment. If it's a matter of him fully committing to living with you by, for example, selling his house or renting it out and completely moving in with you, then the time frame would be different than if you're looking to be engaged.
It's difficult for me to put a number on it, other than to say that it's whatever you want. That said, I think that after 15 months of dating exclusively, it's perfectly reasonable to want to take the relationship to the next level that you want to take it to. So if your time frame is a few months, I think that's reasonable, and if you think you could be okay with the way things are for another year, that's also reasonable.
Don’t share this with him, at least not yet. This is for you to have some kind of a stopping point so you can feel a sense of control in this relationship which is so important if you’re going to maintain your confidence level. That confidence creates a shift that he’s going to pick up on and is the first step to getting on the path to commitment.
This isn’t an ultimatum kind of stopping point. It simply allows you to gather information between now and then so that when that that time comes, you can make an informed decision on what you want your next steps to be.
Should you have THE conversation with him? You can, you always can. But if you do, use “I” statements instead of using words that have him running away from you because you’re on two different pages when it comes to communicating.
Remember that this is about you and what you need and what a committed relationship means to you. Get clear on that part first, and then you’ll be ready to see and hear from him what his version of a committed relationship means to him. Simply having the kind of clarity in your head, communicates more than mere words ever can.
Most of all, though, don’t resent him.
If something matters that much to you, use those “I” statements to communicate with him before going there. Resentment is a very difficult place to come back from. Far better to check in with yourself at the end of that timeline you just set – the one that you can live with – and see what’s changed and what hasn’t.
I hope this helps!
Love,
Jane
What do you think? Do you have any other words of advice or encouragement for our beautiful friend, Michelle? Share them with us below in the comments!
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Jennifer says
I had it all. Till it all came crashing down from stress.
The commitment, financial aid and sharing of expenses, His love and devotion. But stress got the better of him. He got paranoid, started sleeping less (maybe 2 to 3 hours) wouldn't let me sleep. He started drinking more too.I tried everything to help get Us through this difficult time. But then it hit me? Literally,
with a bible by his hands. All the last part happened after just over a year living together and total of 22 months together. Never saw it coming.
Thought it was unconditional love.
Understand what you are feeling because in hindsight there were plenty of signs it wasn't what I really wanted. I needed to get hit to leave and see the truth. My only condition was NO VIOLENCE!
Jane says
oh Jennifer, my heart is breaking for you. Do you have support? Do you have a safe place - emotionally as well as physically - for you to be? No one deserves to be hit, so one deserves to be treated like this. I'm so sorry it ended like this, but it sounds like it had to for your own well-being. I've no doubt you tried everything but at some point, we can't be the only ones trying to fix something that requires two to fix together. Find those safe places with the people who share your heart, who are there for you unconditionally. I'm here for you! This will always be a safe place for your beautiful heart.
Jennifer says
Thank you Jane
Yes I am safe. Moving on. Staying with a good friend till I can get my own place. Learning about good relationships and gaining self esteem and confidence again. It was dibiatating at first. Much to deal with and comprehend. I still enjoy and learn from your blog as well.
Thank you for being here for us Jane
Diane says
You asked Jane to access your situation, that means you already know this is not right.
He must contribute financially..money is a deal breaker.
It makes no difference what his obligations are, you have obligations too.
Jane says
Thanks for adding to the conversation, Diane. When we look for confirmation of what we already know, we need to remember the most important piece of this; we already know.
Lora says
I agree with Jane and the respondent above. I personally do not have experience in living with a man, but I do have relationship experience...as I am in my 50's, been married, divorced, and have met and dated a few not what I'm looking for. First, let me say, I understand the dilemma you are in because it sounds like you really love this guy and he has feelings for you. It's just about how deep those feelings are on his part. Even though all of the not pitching in with the bills/groceries, are on his part, it still takes two to make or break a relationship. I have always thought that relationships are 50/50, but now more than ever, at my age and for what I have been through, with all my heart and soul believe that relationships are 100%/100%. If both are not giving their all then to me, with all due respect to you and anyone else, then deal is off. For me, it's game over. I hope that you will take the time to really look deep inside yourself and figure out what it is that you want for yourself and your children, because it seems as though...that is what is at stake here. I wish you the best and remember, do not shortchange yourself for the sake of his comfort. He needs to think about what this is already doing to your relationship if he truly cares for you. And if you have a heart to heart talk with him and nothing changes, then you have a real decision to make -- again, for your future and the future of your children. If he Loves you with every part of himself...he will find a way to make it work for the two of you in which both of you are entirely at peace. Godspeed. Love, Lora
Jane says
I couldn't agree more, Lora. Thanks for adding this - "I have always thought that relationships are 50/50, but now more than ever, at my age and for what I have been through, with all my heart and soul believe that relationships are 100%/100%." I do, too.
Lora says
Thank you Jane 🙂 My only hope is that I can help someone else from my experiences. Even though we all go through different experiences, at times, we still somehow all meet at this common place in which we understand how the other feels. And that is so very important to have that support. I appreciate your support. Godspeed! Love, Lora
Jane says
Exactly, Lora. It's why our ability to feel is our greatest gift!
Queue says
Hi, please know my answer is out of respect and if it is something you don't agree with please, please take what you like and leave the rest. Your guy should definitely be helping pay the bills even if he has child support or his own house. He is in your home around your children. For their sake at least don't you want a commitment such as marriage because if he leaves you have the hearts of the kids to take into account not to mention yours? If he's already not contributing what kind of provider is he to be in the future . You can be not in a rush to marry but why then have him live in yours when he has his own house. The scenario is putting zero urgency for him to make any move towards commitment especially if he's living there not paying his share and reaping all the benefits of a wife without commitment . It's not too late to make changes even if you ask him to leave so that you can both be on the same page. If he has true love for you you'll be together. Just remember your worth and value and you are so worthy to have the entire kit and kaboodle so to speak. Do not settle for anything but the best. Sorry if I seem abrupt. I have experience in relationship what not to do.
Jane says
Thank you for sharing your heart, Queue. So many of us can relate to having experience in "relationship what not to do". This could be a class in itself.